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Missing Boxes

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[L-USA] Missing Boxes

From: Daniel Servatius (elf@pclink.com) | Date: 1999-01-10 22:35:09 UTC-06:00
This is so common sense it bears repeating here. This is a recent
post from our Dartmoor consort absent the baloon background which I
could not figure out how to transfer over to the forwarded message:

On the boxes going missing issue. It has happened many
times over here. We have had one or two cases of deliberate
vandalism but most are taken by ordinary people who do not know
what they are - a sort of holiday souvenir. Stick a label inside the
lid explaining that the box is put out for many people's pleasure
and that taking it or destroying it will cause people wasted time
and effort. Include your phone number so and tell people to ring
you if they want to know more. This is how I got started.
Adrian

Thank you again Adrian.

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Missing Boxes

From: (DebTeix@aol.com) | Date: 2001-11-17 17:29:15 UTC-05:00
I had a couple of questions I hope someone could help me with:

1. Who do you contact if you think a box is missing? (Today, I went
looking for the Fort Adams box in RI and couldn't find it. That
doesn't mean it's not there, but there were a large number of beer
cans.)
2. Is there a way of getting clues that register as error messages
when
you try to link to them? (In particular Cliff Walk and Canonchet's
Waters in RI)

Thanks for your help in advance.

Debbie :-)

Re: [LbNA] Missing Boxes

From: Chip Goss (kancamangusdabull@yahoo.com) | Date: 2001-11-18 08:29:16 UTC-08:00

-
> 2. Is there a way of getting clues that
> register as error messages
> when
> you try to link to them? (In particular
> Cliff Walk and Canonchet's
> Waters in RI)


Debbie,

When you access these pages from the list, check up in
the address box, sometimes for reasons unbeknownst to
me, the address will appear like this:
www.letterboxing.org.www.andthenthenewboxaddress.com

what you want to dois to delete the
www.letterboxing.org and leave

www.andthenewboxaddress.com

You can access Cliff walk at

www.geocities.com/kancamangusdabull/newp.html


Chip

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Re: Missing Boxes

From: Drew Family (drewclan@aol.com) | Date: 2001-11-19 01:57:38 UTC
Hi, Debbie! Fort Adams could have disapeared (again: it's been
vandalized once and graciously replaced by BobH).

Here are the clues for Canonchet's:

Canonchet's Waters

Canonchet was a 17th Century native leader whose descendants still
people this area. Because of its great natural beauty, this is a busy
trail, and evidence that it is still held sacred exists in the fact
that it is a registered natural landmark. There are two letterboxes
here. In Ashaway RI, take exit 2 from I-95, and head briefly north to
connect with RI Rte. 3. Turn left, south, for half a mile, then turn
right on Canonchet Rd. Heading north for 2 miles, pass an exquisite
church, an old mill site that is still in use, and Ashville Pond,
before parking in the hiker's lot on your left hand side.

This hike will follow the yellow blazed Narragansett Trail, and can
be done two ways. As a "Y" shaped hike, you'll follow two out-and-
back forks connected in the middle by a short stem to the parking
area. Or, if you prefer, you can add quiet country road walking to
each segment and call it a figure eight. Either way, this is quite a
strenuous hike over steep up and down trails, covering 5-6 miles in 2-
3 hours. Bring a picnic, a camera for the great views, and your
stronger children.

Walk in south from the parking area past an old root cellar to the
fork in the trail. We'll start by heading left, southwest, through a
long tunnel of mountain laurel towards Ashville Pond. After about a
mile, begin descending a hill through a series of stone walls. Come
to an open area of slickrock gneiss formation, strewn randomly with
chest high boulders. The trail will turn sharply right (west):
continue straight on a course of 130 for about 25 steps to the
southeastern edge of this slickrock clearing. The Ashville Pond
Letterbox is hidden on the left behind the northeast corner of a knee
high rock. Stamp in, and invest a couple of minutes to continue down
the Narragansett Trail to Ashville Pond, and a charmingly defunct
picnic area with a sandy beach. Now, you can double back to retrace
your steps to the parking area fork. Or, you can continue up a few
steps to the road, turn left down the road, and then left again at a
very old house, to pass an old canal to Ashville Pond, the fishing
area, and continue back to the trail head.

Now for the spectacular leg. Turn right at the fork and follow the
Narragansett Trail westerly along the cliffs overlooking Long Pond.
There will be rugged up and down climbing on waterside ledges with
rewarding views the whole way, as well as a variety of splendid rock
formations. Near the end of the pond, cross north over the boggy area
and then climb up well placed steps in an extraordinary cleft in the
stone. At the top you'll find a trail junction: from the sign go
generally east along the ridge on an unmarked trail. There are a
couple of overlooks facing easterly across the water to the cliffs
you just traversed. On the second, sandy one, is the Long Pond
Letterbox. Standing on the promontory's edge with Long Pond to your
left and a communications antenna bearing 220 degrees, the box is
tucked into the southern face of an overhanging rock to your right
(west), just off the trail. This is a good spot to linger after
stamping in.

Finally, you can traipse back the way you came, enjoying the views
(and the climbs) from a different perspective in a different light.
Or, returning to the sign board, turn right with the yellow blazes,
crossing some more interesting rock arrangements, to a second parking
lot. Turn right on the dirt road, which in half a mile becomes paved,
and then right again at an intersection. You'll find your car a
stretch later, after a picturesque farm. The road piece is pleasantly
longer, but much less taxing, than the return hike. Both are in the
footsteps of the great native leader Canonchet.

Hope you enjoy!
Jay in CT




Re: [LbNA] Missing Boxes

From: (DebTeix@aol.com) | Date: 2001-11-20 09:24:39 UTC-05:00
Thanks Chip, I'll give it a try.

Debbie :-)

Re: [LbNA] Re: Missing Boxes

From: (DebTeix@aol.com) | Date: 2001-11-20 09:32:52 UTC-05:00
Jay,

Thanks for the directions to Canonchet. I'm going to check again for Fort Adams because I received a message saying that it was there two days before I went looking for it. Then again I wasn't really dressed appropriately for the climb (conference clothes are not suited for letterboxing ;-)

Thanks again for the info and have a great Thanksgiving.

Debbie :-)

Fwd: Missing Boxes

From: Drew Family (drewclan@aol.com) | Date: 2003-10-05 18:10:05 UTC
--- In LbNA-Webmasters@yahoogroups.com, Moira Rankin
wrote:
Hi - we've realized why we haven't received replies when we tried t
contact some placers - the link doesn't work -
could you alert chessielover in MAryland that three out four boxes in
the first half of the River Front Series (Laurel, Md.) appear to have
been blown away by Isabel - we did find a remnant of one box - the
fourth one - a page of rules about letterboxing -

Also Uncle Mikey's Absinthe - located at LAke Artemesia, Maryland -
is
missing in action
Thanks - we're really enjoying this new hobby - helped by this really
well organized web site
gg
--- End forwarded message ---



Missing Boxes

From: aintnorock19 (cdf19@comcast.net) | Date: 2005-08-18 01:53:40 UTC
All-

As an offshoot of the recent Mystery Placer thread, several people
mentioned that boxes go missing and are vandalized.

Why would anyone want to do that? Any theories? What possible use
could you have for stealing someone else's box?

Just wondering.

aintnorock




Re: [LbNA] Missing Boxes

From: Kurt Copeland (tabulator32@mac.com) | Date: 2005-08-17 20:59:41 UTC-05:00
My guess is it is done by people who aren't letterboxers.

Normal humans roam the Earth and occasionally happen upon our
letterboxes and geocaches and don't understand their meaning or purpose.

"Its in the middle of nowhere! It couldn't serve a purpose, could it?!
Someone must have lost it! I think I'll take it with me!"

tabulator32


On Wednesday, August 17, 2005, at 08:53 PM, aintnorock19 wrote:

> All-
>
> As an offshoot of the recent Mystery Placer thread, several people
> mentioned that boxes go missing and are vandalized.
>
> Why would anyone want to do that? Any theories? What possible use
> could you have for stealing someone else's box?
>
> Just wondering.
>
> aintnorock
>


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Re: [LbNA] Missing Boxes

From: Pamela Smith Lenox (pamela.lenox@verizon.net) | Date: 2005-08-17 22:10:59 UTC-04:00
Well, there are mean people out there but..... There are also non-LBers
who stumble on a box (was it planted near a local party spot?) and
there are animals who will chew on a box (hence the warnings to use
damp paper towels to clean up stamps, not wetwipes). Add on fires and
water that can flood or just tragically dampen a log and park
re-landscaping and whatever else nature can dish out...... Well, LBs
don't always survive forever. My take is that I don't have to like it,
but that's a reality of the hobby. I *chose* LBing over the
manymanymany hobbies that *don't* involve wildlife possibly chewing up
my original artwork. :-)

pezpam


On Wednesday, August 17, 2005, at 09:53 PM, aintnorock19 wrote:

> All-
>
> As an offshoot of the recent Mystery Placer thread, several people
> mentioned that boxes go missing and are vandalized.
>
> Why would anyone want to do that? Any theories? What possible use
> could you have for stealing someone else's box?
>
> Just wondering.
>
> aintnorock


Re: [LbNA] Missing Boxes

From: (Doublesaj@aol.com) | Date: 2005-08-18 02:26:31 UTC-04:00
'Cause they are there. Its a fact of life, just need to hide them in good
places & only LBer will find them (most of the time.)

~~Old Blue~~
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Re: [LbNA] Missing Boxes

From: (Doublesaj@aol.com) | Date: 2005-08-18 02:34:29 UTC-04:00
If you want a box to last, avoid location that are: 1) High traffic, 2) in a
security area, 3) where the grounds are well maintained, 4) were transients
hang out / live and 5) around trains.

~~Doublesaj & Old Blue~~
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Re: [LbNA] Missing Boxes

From: Hikers_n_ Hounds (hikers_n_hounds@yahoo.com) | Date: 2005-08-18 04:34:11 UTC-07:00
'Cause some people are just jerks? That's my theory.

aintnorock19 wrote:All-

As an offshoot of the recent Mystery Placer thread, several people
mentioned that boxes go missing and are vandalized.

Why would anyone want to do that? Any theories? What possible use
could you have for stealing someone else's box?

Just wondering.

aintnorock





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Re: [LbNA] Missing Boxes

From: Barefoot Lucy (barefootlucy@yahoo.com) | Date: 2005-08-18 05:36:17 UTC-07:00
I was with you the whole way until you said "around
trains"? Why is this?

Lucy

--- Doublesaj@aol.com wrote:

> If you want a box to last, avoid location that are:
> 1) High traffic, 2) in a
> security area, 3) where the grounds are well
> maintained, 4) were transients
> hang out / live and 5) around trains.
>
> ~~Doublesaj & Old Blue~~
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>
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Re: [LbNA] Missing Boxes

From: aintnorock19 (cdf19@comcast.net) | Date: 2005-08-18 13:25:38 UTC
I would presume that there are a lot of transients hitching a ride
on the trains.

And yes, as some people said, some people are just plain jerks.

aintnorock


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Barefoot Lucy
wrote:
> I was with you the whole way until you said "around
> trains"? Why is this?
>
> Lucy
>
> --- Doublesaj@a... wrote:
>
> > If you want a box to last, avoid location that are:
> > 1) High traffic, 2) in a
> > security area, 3) where the grounds are well
> > maintained, 4) were transients
> > hang out / live and 5) around trains.
> >
> > ~~Doublesaj & Old Blue~~
> > P59 F 560 X144 V18 HH 44 S18
> >
> >
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RE: [LbNA] Missing Boxes

From: Mosey (PonyExpressMail@comcast.net) | Date: 2005-08-18 13:47:53 UTC-05:00
In my neck of the woods, suburban Chicago, being around the train tracks
anyplace other than a bonafide crossing (either a vehicle crossing or a
pedestrian crossing) would be illegal. I don't know if it's a federal law,
a state law, county, or even municipal law, but around here folks do get
arrested for it. Too many people getting killed by trains from being where
they don't belong as regards the tracks. In *my* town, the police are a
little paranoid about it.

Now, out in the sticks, it's different. I don't know if the law exists for
out in the sticks, but if it does, I've never known it to be enforced. But
isn't all the land on either side of the tracks considered railroad
property, and not really to be used by the public?

Things like train tracks, train trestles/bridges, could also be considered
security risks ever since 9/11, 7/07, etc.

Last Thanksgiving, Pippi had one of her Thanksgiving boxes out under a train
trestle in an extremely rural area. But farmers in the area told her there
should be no problem with it. 'Course, that didn't mean they'd come break
her out of jail if she got arrested for it. :-)

~~ Mosey ~~



--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Barefoot Lucy
wrote:
> I was with you the whole way until you said "around
> trains"? Why is this?
>
> Lucy
>
> --- Doublesaj@a... wrote:
>
> > If you want a box to last, avoid location that are:
> > 1) High traffic, 2) in a
> > security area, 3) where the grounds are well
> > maintained, 4) were transients
> > hang out / live and 5) around trains.
> >
> > ~~Doublesaj & Old Blue~~
> > P59 F 560 X144 V18 HH 44 S18


Re: [LbNA] Missing Boxes

From: JARS (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) | Date: 2005-08-18 16:34:18 UTC-04:00
I've lost a couple of letterboxes and I'm pretty sure
that they were taken by kids. One of the LBs had
previously been discovered by kids who signed the log
and included their ages (10ish). So I guess that some
other kids probably found it and thought it would be
fun to take it. I'd like to think they covetted the
stamp and it's still in a bedroom somewhere and not
tossed out in the trash.

The other LB was under a footbridge over a shallow
brook that kids like to play in when it gets hot. I
figured out how to hide it so that it's not in view of
a child playing in the brook and the replacement box
has lasted the rest of the summer.

The caches that have gone missing I attribute to poor
hiding technique too.

I doubt a letterboxer or geocacher would deliberately
steal one. I worry that some vigilante pirate might
one day find it his/her mission to remove boxes and
caches in the area, either because they disagree with
hiding things in public spaces or because it would be
fun to mess with people's emotions. So far after 3
years of caching and 1 year of boxing it hasn't
happened in my area.

JARS


--- aintnorock19 wrote:
---------------------------------
All-

As an offshoot of the recent Mystery Placer thread,
several people
mentioned that boxes go missing and are vandalized.

Why would anyone want to do that? Any theories? What
possible use
could you have for stealing someone else's box?

Just wondering.

aintnorock





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Re: [LbNA] Missing Boxes

From: Mandy Bennett (cameoboxer@yahoo.com) | Date: 2005-08-18 14:12:24 UTC-07:00
I sometimes wonder if kids come across them and it looks fun to play with...

aintnorock19 wrote:All-

As an offshoot of the recent Mystery Placer thread, several people
mentioned that boxes go missing and are vandalized.

Why would anyone want to do that? Any theories? What possible use
could you have for stealing someone else's box?

Just wondering.

aintnorock





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Re: [LbNA] Missing Boxes

From: Rick in Boca (rick_in_boca@bigfoot.com) | Date: 2005-08-19 16:58:30 UTC
The only box I've lost was probably taken by a landscape worker. This
is the main reason an urban box would go missing. Lesson learned.

In suburban parks I often see evidence of a transient setting up camp
there. Not sure why they would be digging around in the leaves.

In the woods, I assume racoons know and love tupperware. They don't
even have to smell what's inside to know that it is a human food
container.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, JARS
wrote:
> I've lost a couple of letterboxes and I'm pretty sure
> that they were taken by kids. One of the LBs had
> previously been discovered by kids who signed the log
> and included their ages (10ish). So I guess that some
> other kids probably found it and thought it would be
> fun to take it. I'd like to think they covetted the
> stamp and it's still in a bedroom somewhere and not
> tossed out in the trash.
>
> The other LB was under a footbridge over a shallow
> brook that kids like to play in when it gets hot. I
> figured out how to hide it so that it's not in view of
> a child playing in the brook and the replacement box
> has lasted the rest of the summer.
>
> The caches that have gone missing I attribute to poor
> hiding technique too.
>
> I doubt a letterboxer or geocacher would deliberately
> steal one. I worry that some vigilante pirate might
> one day find it his/her mission to remove boxes and
> caches in the area, either because they disagree with
> hiding things in public spaces or because it would be
> fun to mess with people's emotions. So far after 3
> years of caching and 1 year of boxing it hasn't
> happened in my area.
>
> JARS
>
>
> --- aintnorock19 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> All-
>
> As an offshoot of the recent Mystery Placer thread,
> several people
> mentioned that boxes go missing and are vandalized.
>
> Why would anyone want to do that? Any theories? What
> possible use
> could you have for stealing someone else's box?
>
> Just wondering.
>
> aintnorock
>
>
>
>
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